EXPERTS WEIGH IN ON "DOG WHISPERER" LAWSUIT
Experts from around the country have come forward to comment on the lawsuit filed May 4th by television producer Flody Suarez (8 Simple Rules) against Cesar Millan ("The Dog Whisperer") and his facility for severe injuries to his dog, Gator. Gator continues to require medical treatment and still cannot eat normally.
World-renowned dog trainers, behaviorists and veterinarians had all warned National Geographic that Millan's methods had the potential for disaster. Below are quotes from noted experts:
"Cesar Millan's methods are based on flooding and punishment. The results, though immediate, will be only transitory. His methods are misguided, outmoded, in some cases dangerous, and often inhumane. You would not want to be a dog under his sphere of influence. The sad thing is that the public does not recognize the error of his ways." Dr. Nicholas Dodman - Professor and Head, Section of Anima Behavior, Director of Behavior Clinic, Tufts University -Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine.
"Practices such as physically confronting aggressive dogs and using of choke collars for fearful dogs are outrageous by even the most diluted dog training standards. A profession that has been making steady gains in its professionalism, technical sophistication and humane standards has been greatly set back. I have long been deeply troubled by the popularity of Mr. Millan as so many will emulate him. To co-opt a word like `whispering' for arcane, violent and technically unsound practice is unconscionable." Jean Donaldson, The San Francisco SPCA-Director of The Academy for Dog Trainers.
"A number of qualified professionals have voiced concern for the welfare of pet dogs that experience the strong corrections administered by Mr. Millan. My concerns are based on his inappropriateness, inaccurate statements, and complete fabrications of explanations for dog behavior. His ideas, especially those about `dominance', are completely disconnected from the sciences of ethology and animal learning, which are our best hope for understanding and training our dogs and meeting their behavioral needs. Many of the techniques he encourages the public to try are dangerous, and not good for dogs or our relationships with them." Dr. Suzanne Hetts, Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist Co-owner of Animal Behavior Associates, Inc., Littleton, CO.
"Cesar Millan employs outdated methods that are dangerous and inhumane. Using a choke chain and treadmill to treat fear of strangers and dogs is completely inappropriate. Hopefully the National Geographic Channel will listen to the scientific community and discontinue production of The Dog Whisperer." Vyolet Michaels, CTC (Certified Dog Trainer and Behavior Counselor)
Excerpt below of letter from Lisa Laney, Dip. DTBC, CPDT, CBC to National Geographic before airing "The Dog Whisperer":
"The intended program depicts aversive and abusive training methods - treatment for some serious anxiety and fear based issues - being administered by an individual with no formal education whatsoever in canine behavioral sciences. The `results' that are shown are more than likely not long lasting changes, but the result of learned helplessness, or fatigue, neither of which impact behavior to any significant long term degree - at least not in a good way. For those of us who are pioneering the effort to end the ignorance that drives the cruel treatment administered upon our canine companions, it is disappointing to see that this programming will reach the masses - especially on the NG Channel. The ignorance that this program perpetuates will give equally ignorant people the green light to subject their dogs to abuse. In turn these dogs will react even more defensively, will bite more people - and end up dead."
World-renowned dog trainers, behaviorists and veterinarians had all warned National Geographic that Millan's methods had the potential for disaster. Below are quotes from noted experts:
"Cesar Millan's methods are based on flooding and punishment. The results, though immediate, will be only transitory. His methods are misguided, outmoded, in some cases dangerous, and often inhumane. You would not want to be a dog under his sphere of influence. The sad thing is that the public does not recognize the error of his ways." Dr. Nicholas Dodman - Professor and Head, Section of Anima Behavior, Director of Behavior Clinic, Tufts University -Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine.
"Practices such as physically confronting aggressive dogs and using of choke collars for fearful dogs are outrageous by even the most diluted dog training standards. A profession that has been making steady gains in its professionalism, technical sophistication and humane standards has been greatly set back. I have long been deeply troubled by the popularity of Mr. Millan as so many will emulate him. To co-opt a word like `whispering' for arcane, violent and technically unsound practice is unconscionable." Jean Donaldson, The San Francisco SPCA-Director of The Academy for Dog Trainers.
"A number of qualified professionals have voiced concern for the welfare of pet dogs that experience the strong corrections administered by Mr. Millan. My concerns are based on his inappropriateness, inaccurate statements, and complete fabrications of explanations for dog behavior. His ideas, especially those about `dominance', are completely disconnected from the sciences of ethology and animal learning, which are our best hope for understanding and training our dogs and meeting their behavioral needs. Many of the techniques he encourages the public to try are dangerous, and not good for dogs or our relationships with them." Dr. Suzanne Hetts, Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist Co-owner of Animal Behavior Associates, Inc., Littleton, CO.
"Cesar Millan employs outdated methods that are dangerous and inhumane. Using a choke chain and treadmill to treat fear of strangers and dogs is completely inappropriate. Hopefully the National Geographic Channel will listen to the scientific community and discontinue production of The Dog Whisperer." Vyolet Michaels, CTC (Certified Dog Trainer and Behavior Counselor)
Excerpt below of letter from Lisa Laney, Dip. DTBC, CPDT, CBC to National Geographic before airing "The Dog Whisperer":
"The intended program depicts aversive and abusive training methods - treatment for some serious anxiety and fear based issues - being administered by an individual with no formal education whatsoever in canine behavioral sciences. The `results' that are shown are more than likely not long lasting changes, but the result of learned helplessness, or fatigue, neither of which impact behavior to any significant long term degree - at least not in a good way. For those of us who are pioneering the effort to end the ignorance that drives the cruel treatment administered upon our canine companions, it is disappointing to see that this programming will reach the masses - especially on the NG Channel. The ignorance that this program perpetuates will give equally ignorant people the green light to subject their dogs to abuse. In turn these dogs will react even more defensively, will bite more people - and end up dead."
posted by pitbulljungle at 10:29 AM
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I think the reason why the public doesn't realize the problem is they see the before and after.
I've never actually seen any of his methods except in short clips and it's like I said...before and after. What got them to the point is probably what most people DON'T see.
If it seems TOO good, be vary!
First, I don't see the abuse that this article is talking about. I, myself use methods very similar to Cesar's and they work very well. There is no abuse or punishment. Only simple communication on a level that a dog can understand. I don't use choke chains, and Millan doesn't overtly advocate them, either. He just says that, if you're going to use them, you still need to use the same technique. In fact, he advocates a simple rope leash which stretches.
People who disgree with his techniques often anthropomorphize animals and fail to recognize how simple communication with a dog can be.
I read this, but found nothing useful due to bias.
I have never seen Cesar advocate hurting or abusiveness. He focuses on the communication from the person to the dog. People who think they are educated sometimes like to make something harder and more out of reach to the average person and thus don't advocate simpler more easily understandable principles. I am sure all the "professionally trained and educated" would like to have everyone believe that they are the only ones who have the knowledge and techniques to do the right thing,
I see this show whenever I can and find Cesar's behavior very humane to dogs. His "power of the pack" theory is very logical and I disagree with all those "learned degreed professionals." There might be some enviousness behind their rhetoric because an un-degreed professional has accomplished what they failed to do. Having a degree does not make you an expert. Look at all the doctors and psychiatrists that cause damage to humans by their therapies and prescriptions.
I am trained in the field of linguistics, where professionals often have trouble educating the public about language issues because people who are not educated in the field prefer their own theories. In other words, people think, "I speak a language, therefore I am an expert on language." This is patently false from a scientific standpoint, and objective research is the best way to discern how language really works.
It is the same with dog behavior. People think, "I own a dog, therefore I am an expert on dogs." What we have been told or have "figured out" on our own about dogs does not necessarily produce an accurate theory on dog learning and behavior. Please, dog lovers, give some consideration to scientific research rather than just perpetuating old myths.
At one time psychologists believed that a mother's love was bad for her children, and she should be stoic. Scientists now recognize the importance of love for human development--a complete turnaround! The pursuit of objective knowledge makes us more skilled at our many human undertakings, so please don't discount research in favor of old wives' tales, arcane military-based training methods, or a theory of dog behavior promoted by a lone wolf who has been sued for animal abuse.
While I firmly believe in the scientific method and value results of good scientific inquiry, it is also true that Millan's methods are based on field observations, keen insight and a lifetime (literally) of experience - the basis of all solid research. While one might quibble about some of his specific techniques (eg. running on pavement), it is hard to argue with the basics he preaches re. dominance, nurturing, pack mentality and how we as their adoptive charges absolutely need to emulate these crucial missing elements in their artificial environment that we have created for them. Dogs, at the end of the day, have been domesticated far too long for us to view them as strictly wild animals, nor anthropomorphize them to mere extensions of our human families. It is incumbent upon degreed professionals, like myself, to stay in touch with the real world out there, as well as lay people to educate themselves in a more rigorous manner. Cesar Millan has done this. I challenge the professionals to do the same.
The learning methods of the highly educated here that are being questioned and reported that they may be envious is completely absurd. The Ethology and Behavioral theories they write about are well established learning theories.
The positive training methods advocated by those at the beginning of the blog are used to train many species with very high success rates. Dogs, cats, birds, horses, and every animal you see in movies. Ever think about using corrective or dominance training with an Orca, Bear and being successful?
Ever been impressed with how they the trainers get the animals to stop on cue, offer a specific behavior off leash, time and again despite the age or species of animal?
These animal actors are all positively trained with a marker work or a clicker. The right behavior is reinforced by positive means and completely without force.
The animals are off any type of control and could simply wander away but they stay and play with their handlers. Why, because they want to, are having fun and enjoy the process of playing a game and being rewarded for the right thing.
The only species that seems consumed with power and dominance are humans. We have highly developed brains, communication ability and still we insist on hate and punishment.
I am a positively trained human. I go to work, do my job, and I get paid. If my employer stopped paying me I would stop working for them and look elsewhere for what I need.
Another good exmaple and I heard and cannot remember who it was so I cannot give proper credit.
Most drivers speed at some time or another. The more we speed and do not get caught the better we get at speeding.
When receiving a ticket (a punisher) is the speeder likely to stop or just get better at looking for police officers?
When we do get punished by the receipt of a ticket we might slow down for a bit after paying the fine, higher insurance premiums but in time the behavior of speeding returns. We get better at looking for police officers.
I watched one and only one episode where Mr. Milan was working with a cattle dog. The dog was hung by a choke chain on leash with its front feet off the ground. Obviously it was struggling and trying to get away - I would too.
The dog did finally succumb to 'training' and lay down because it passed out and only started to breathe again when pressure was released and its body allowed to lie on the ground.
We expect dogs to live in a human world, be primates (they are canids), understand everything and like all people and other dogs.
We ask them to hold their pee and poop for 8, 10, 12 hours when we work, get mad at them when they cannot and have an accident. We ask dogs to have a level of body control that most adult humans cannot do during our waking hours.
We control everything in their lives. Where they sleep, what they eat, when they eliminate. Don't you think that is enough dominance?
One are I agree with is the setting of fair and consistent expectations. If we focus on what they do right rather that what they do wrong dogs will give us the behavior that works and gets what they want from us like sitting for dinner, waiting at the door before they get to go out and play.
The disclaimer at the beginning of the show is to protect Cesar Milan not to protect the viewing public that will try his training techniques.
I'm working with someone that has worsened their dog's fearfulness by emulating Cesar's methods.
Learning and education are progressive. We use new ways to learn and teach all the time - yet with our dogs we think that we must be heavy handed to be successful which is simply not true.
Benevolence works much better!
Dangling food and making clicky noises, while it may render impressive reactions is no more than brainwashing. What Cesar does isn't "training" as you brainwashers call it. He helps people to understand how our dogs think. All you bleeding hearts hear the word "Dominance" and thing "aggression" and "fear" ...ask yourself if giving your children rewards for everything while not setting rules boundaries or limitations would raise a well balanced healthy human being?
Here's some food ...click, click
I have never seen Cesar hurt an animal in any way. Regarding the lawsuit, the dog's trainer was with the dog, not Cesar. The trainer was using Cesar's facility. Cesar is only asking the dogs for respect. Simple works.
Clicker training is the epitome of structure. It teaches the animal being trained about self control and it developes a strong work ethic. Clicker dogs are taught how to make choices and this creates dogs that are happy, confident and trustworthy.
"Clicker dogs are taught how to make choices" ..yeah, o.k.
A "Trustworthy" dog is one who understands by example what part they play in your pack, even when your NOT HOME CLICKING IN THEIR FACE.
The only thing "training" does is "break" an animal. Why don't you try to disagree with the three FERAL pack dogs I have brought into my home. They are not wild, I am their "pack leader" Experienced dog lovers who know these dogs are Jealous of how behaved YET independent they are.
As long as your click and treat training your dogs you will never know true UNCONDITIONAL AFFECTION from them, I guarantee you that.
"Clicker training is the epitome of structure." -Sure your regiment is structured, but the dog is training you to feed 'em.
The training is more for the humans. There are no bad dogs, only bad owners. In the Dog Whisperer episodes you see time and again the owners being confronted with their flaws, insecurities and behavioral downfalls which the dogs are reacting too.
On another note, dogs are tougher than some of you seem to think.
Clicker training is great, and I'm all for anyone taking the time to train their dog. However, their are so many methods that work I don't think anyone has the right to rule out a training method they have not effectively used.
Cesar spends his time helping dogs, not bitching on the internet.
I hear the story but why isn't the evidence against him listed? People always feel threat against the different and someone who does their duties so well.
I have watched alot of episodes of dog whisperer and have not seen any signs of abuse that ceaser does.I think his training methods are very helpful as i have used them to work on my dog problems and they have worked.
I hope this show continues to educate people on how to take care of their dogs properly if you want to get onto anyone for abusing dogs get onto people who really abuse dogs they can be seen on animal cops on animal planet then you will know the real meaning of animal abuse
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I don't understand why people alway have some thing bad to say about pitbull's. Mr. millan is the only one who really know's and understand's dog's so if you pay attention you will see that pitbull's are great dog's so don't blaim the breed for your mistake's . As far as the Lawsuit sick people just tring to get money one way or another.
I watch Ceaser Millian's show, The Dog Whisperer, faithfully. I can say that I have never seen anything close to abuse. I am very againist abuse to any animal of any kind, case in point Micheal Vick. That was diffenetly abuse and the very sad fact behind that is he will get out of jail in June or July of this year (09). The professinals are spending all this time saying that Ceaser is "wrong" in the way he trains dogs. What they should really be doing is spending there time to keep, someone who abuses one of the most loyal breeds, Micheal Vick in jail. I would hope that if abuse was the case on any episode, of The Dog Whisperer, that the dog owners would stand up and say that "what you have done is wrong and that you will get a call from my lawyer." This must not have ever happened because this is the first time that anyone has complained of his methods. I practice is methods and trust his experience. I truely believe that just because you have a degree on the wall doesn't, by any means, make you an expert. Ask these professionals how many dogs that they own and what are their "successful" methods of training. What you will probably find is they use some of the same methods that are used my Ceaser. They don't want you to know this because they are "educated". I would assume that since the professionals know so much about what "goes on" on this show is because they have been there. I feel they, the professionals, should spend more time with dogs and not so much time in their books and see what really works.
WHO IS CONJURING UP THESE LIES AND DECIET. IVE NEVER HEARD MENTION OF THE ASPCA IN HIS SHOWS SO THEY PROBABLY HATE. AND WHO ARE THESE ANIMAL BEHAVIOLIST THAT ARE SLANDERING HIS REPUTATION. ARENT THEY THE CREEPEE DOCTORS WHO STUDY ANIMALS IN LABS WITH TONS OF HIDIOUS PRACTICES? HAIL CESAR! YOU RULE THE PACK.
P.S. HE DOES NOT RECOMEND TRYIN THESE TECHNICS WITHOUT A PROFESSIONAL. THIS ARTICLE IS BIAS JOUNALISM AT ITS WORST.
i beleave several dog trianers are pissed at all the money they are missing out on since people have been tuning into the dog whisperer.
This is a classic example of envy. Cesar Milan has become very well known and the "experts" are just envious that they didn't think of it first. Cesar also presents it in a way that many people can understand. Scientific mumbo jumbo doesn't work. Honest communication does.
I am retired from teaching 32 years. Sometimes my ways were considered unorthodox too. Without hesitation I will say that in most cases it was sheer “professional jealousy,” even though that term is an oxymoron.
The kind of methods Caesar employs is innate. From that point his long-time experience with dogs would only serve to enhance his natural gift. If you know anything about the study of temperament, it is clear that he is also the perfect example of an “Idealist Teacher” temperament.
Having been exposed to plenty of so-called highly educated professionals merely reinforced my inner understanding that a truly gifted teacher is born, not made.
I can rightfully claim to have graduated from a highly respected university, yet in complete honesty I must also say that I was taught next to nothing about teaching in the real world. Furthermore, every single student teacher I mentored over the years expressed the same disenchantment with institutions of higher education.
The true proof though is in being repeatedly told by my own ex-students how positively influenced they were with my methods. I feel certain if the dogs Cesar works with could talk, they would express themselves similarly.
I agree whole-heartedly with the above post by "The Cole Man." He expressed the truth succinctly.
Cesar Milano is sincere, compassionate, intuitive, patient, and an obvious expert at his profession. His methods are appropriate for the many dogs he has rehabilitated that were heading for the dog pound before his intervention. The owners called on Cesar because they had tried everything else and nothing had worked. So, by definition, these animals required a very intensive rehabilitation. A few dog training classes was not going to save these dogs. As far as any dogs allegedly being hurt or injured; when working with the hard cases of extremely difficult animals one should expect an occasional, inadvertent and totally unintentional injury, whether to the animal, or to Cesar himself! I applaud his efforts and his dedication.
I have been handling my own dogs much the same way that Cesar does for over 30yrs with the same results and they have been extremely long lasting-even until the natural passing of my friends. I must say that the "experts" are MISSING the whole point. Cesar DOES NOT "train" dogs!! He communicates with them on a level that the dogs can understand. "Ever think about using corrective or dominance training with an Orca, Bear and being successful?" Are you kidding? The people who train all of these animals start out establishing their dominance over these animals. With regard to the Orcas, the babies learn from their mothers while their mothers are being worked.
I have spent my entire 44yrs studying animal behavior of many species. These include wolves, big cats-specifically Lions, horses, etc. In EVERY case there is physical corrections from the various members of the different packs, prides, or herds. If a member of the family is unstable they are bitten, clawed, kicked, etc. I have felt all of these at one time or another, and my skin isn't any more tender than a dog's, cat's, or horse's.
"The only species that seems consumed with power and dominance are humans." This person has obviously never watched wolves, lions, horses, zebra, deer of all sorts, or any other primate! ALL of these animals dominate each other for one reason or another.
"Clicker training is the epitome of structure." -Sure your regiment is structured, but the dog is training you to feed 'em. HERE, HERE!! I couldn't agree more with this person. I have observed on many occasion that even wild animals who seem nice and friendly are only so because we make the mistake of feeding them. But I guarantee that if you try to approach an animal you are accustomed to feeding with no food they WILL BITE!!
"EXPERTS." "PROFESSIONALS," ANIMAL LOVERS ALERT!!! Training should never be about you, anymore than training your child is. It is about helping an animal to more comfortably live in OUR human world. We took them out of their natural environment, it is therefore our RESPONSIBILITY to work with them in a way that THEY can understand. Animals can learn to recognize the SOUNDS of the various words that we humans use.
"Experts, professionals?" Puhhh!! I have never heard of any, ANY college that offers classes in animal training. People become "professional" by doing what Cesar has been doing--having a lot of dogs and watching how they interact. Period!! I am sure that he even helped some of his friends and they said, "Hey you're good. You should do this for a living!" I get that all the time from my friends and family.
Just remember: if your animal friend is not acting the way you want them to, look at yourself for the possible source. You can also have your Vet check them out as well for possible health issues. Also, you should always try to learn as much as possible about the wild cousin of your pet, for they can give you greater insight into what is "Normal" for that species.
Hell if I can train an Iguana to come when I call her, then I must be doing something right! Remember, dominance is NOT being mean or abusive. Dominance is being in charge. There is a difference in Boss and Bossy!
Caesar Milan uses energy like Native Americans used to. This COULD be call spriritual and I have found that this threatens a lot of people. Anyone who complains that Caesar is crual and abusive is NOT 1. listening to him, 2. watching exactly what he is doing, 3. understanding human vs. dog, 4. out of touch with their own energy/power, 5. comes from a position of "I can't learn anything because I am already absolutely right in my own beliefs so I can't see what he is doing" (i.e. Caesar's explanation of DENIAL). Notice that some of these were doctors. How very sad. They forget the most important part about being a doctor: you are PRACTICING. You are not god and your opinion is AUTOMATICALLY the correct one. (sigh)
I am a retired instructor in veterinary anatomy. I do train large an powerful dogs on occasion and know that sometimes force may be necessary. However the use of high set choke collars that are kept just below the dog's jaws, is dangerous to the fragile bones of the voice box (larynx). The larynx is very sensitive to pain which is why a narrow high set choke collar is so effective at giving control quickly. However the mechanism is comparable to the use of a long shank curb bit on a horse. Great injury can be produced either by accident or by inappropriate use. Cesar never tells anyone how powerful and potentially harmful the high placed choke collar can be. For that omission I fault him. This new collar "The Illusion Collar" he is selling seems to be set up to permanently place the narrow choke collar over the larynx.
In the martial arts people are taught that delivering a sharp blow to the "adam's apple" can disable or kill an enemy. With the narrow high placed choke collar one is placing the dog in jeopardy. I feel that if you have a dog that needs this sort of control, then the handler needs to fully realize the nature of the control.
Recently in our training with powerful but not dangerous dogs we have had very good results with the premier "Easy Walk HARNESS" The harness - not the head halter. Sometimes I combine it with a back up of a heavy link choke in case the dog is one that might try and slip the harness.
okay what abusive treatment?? he uses the simple dollar leash... and outmoded? i don't think so... they are dogs it works.. i use it myself on dogs... i think most prof are just upset because his methods work and he hasn't been to all the schooling they have. he cares about the animals and keeps us from treating them like humans cuz frankly they aren't they are dogs but they are our pets. nowadays if you use a whoke chain its abuse to the dog.. no it's not it's no worse than the shock collars for dogs and it's all in how you use it.. if you are just strangling the animal yes if you are correcting the animal no. there may have been a mistake with this producers dog but i am waiting for both sides of the story before i jump to any side. i cannot believe ceasar had anything to do with the harm of any animal so lets just see how this works out. also another point on the collars in all the shows i have seen he uses the methods used by the owners
Why do scientists and so called "educated professionals" believe that their way is the only right way? Could it be possible that there are other techniques and approaches outside of their "research" that can work and work well in the long run? What the "scientific" community on this blog is presenting is theory. Not fact. I don't ever hear Caesar say other methods are wrong. He has a method that yields results and more importantly works for dogs with severe aggressive and fearful tendencies that others seem to have trouble correcting (including other trainers using the "accepted" techniques described at the beginning of this blog) For many years acupuncture and other forms of eastern medicine were derided as hocus pocus and not based in any type of scientific studies by "scientists" and doctors of western medicine. Their basis for this belief: 5,000 years of experience and experimentation is inferior to "scientific" methods of conducting studies and gathering data. The real hipocrisy comes from those who say the show is promoting bad techniques, but who themselves are promoting the narrow minded attitude that their way is the only way. The correct way is for everyone who has differing view points to begin and open-minded discussion. Exchange information and learn more about each other's ideas and approaches so that everyone can learn from each other rather than just getting on a blog and trashing each other's work.
I agree with previous posts on this blog. The idea that "one shoe fits all" is itself outdated. No amount of focus groups, scientific studies, etc. can cover all cases and possibilities. Therefore, no single approach can yield the same success across all cases. If there is belief that his techniques are abusive and causing physical harm to the animals in his care, then present proof. Real "scientific" proof. A lawsuit alleging abuse is not proof and I'm sure the "experts" will agree, not very scientific at all. For that matter, the fact that his techniques are different from what is currently acceptable to the "animal expert" community does not constitute proof either.
The proof is in the pudding. "Temporary" results? Are they kidding? The balanced dogs Cesar brings to help him rehabilitate the crazed and aggressive dogs in the show were once crazed and aggressive themselves.
Inhumane? The 'no-physical-correction' types are the first ones to suggest uthenasia for 'red-zone' cases. I call that inhumane.
You can tell a gifted dog handler - he's the one handling dogs and getting results immediately.
Outdated? Maybe. For now. Until the in fad swings around again.
I've been watching Dog Whisperer for about a year and record every show on t.v.
What I have found is:
I am learning to control my two dogs and even training the neighbor's dog and the neighbor across the street dog. There is no abuse and in some cases, the knowledge that I have learned from watching his shows has kept bad accidents from happening with my knowledge of how to prevent problems with other dogs approaching the dogs that I am training. am a woman and would never harm any animal. The leader of the Pack method has proven a success for me.
If Cesar offered classes I would be the first in line. There is no abuse involved and my dogs
are enjoying the new me.
from most of the shows i watch, the underlying goal seems to be walk your dog. which is giving him physical and mental stimulation.
i dont see anything wrong with walking your dog.
i also don't see how hard it is for people to realize the best way to communicate to your dog, is like a dog. and thats all he's doing. is imitating a dog.
whatevs.
We in the Uk love Cesar but he has come in for some approbrium in the dog press here. i feel his methods are based on wisdom and compassion (Budhist??)and we could all use more of that. I am also grateful as without his programmes, my partner and I would have made some terrible mistakes when we rescued a 7 year old retired greyhound. As it is, we have a wonderful companion. All hail cesar!!
Why are so many of these comments anti-education? I don't have an opinion on Cesar as I haven't seen the show and came here as I am trying to find out more about him. Just because someone has a degree doesn't make them condescending or elitist just as someone without a degree isn't ignorant or stupid. Also, envy isn't the only motivation for criticism.
For the people who say this man has a lifetime of training dogs so since he's always been with them They know what he wants and does it... well that's a bunch of bull. You used to be called a good parent if you beat you kids to get them to behave, and maybe even your wife if she "steps out of line". They may have 12 kids who "never act out", but that doesn't mean it's good parenting. With an abuser if they want you to smile all the time you will if you don't want to get hurt. Sure his dogs look well behaved if they sit he won't choke them again. That'd make me happy. I've seen this man pull a smal ndog OFF the ground by the leash around it's neck. If I did that on a pubilc street to my poodle people would report me for abuse. And to say he doesn't use or adovacate choke chains is ... well have you watched the show? The leashes he uses tighten up when he pulls on them and they are around the neck. Last time I checked that's choking. If you don't think so why don't you put a braided cord around YOUR neck and have someone who thinks your doing wrong pull it. I bet you'll choke, and while you may get a kick out of it itdoes not mean your dog will. Just because he has a camra crew doen't mean he's right. The terrorests who took out the world trade center have camra crews where they right? NO, and Cesars not either.
well, Let's be realistic, people now a days want to carry their pooches in lil bags and walk around with them like they are accessories or something. Dress them up and treat them like they are kids. It's ok to love your pet like" a kid, and care for them , health wise, vet's ect, and give them attention.. but no matter what or how you treat your dog.. at the end of the day, ITS A DOG! They go by instincts and they go by power and dominanace, I am not a proffessor and duh! I have had dogs my whole life, if if you watch them, whether pit bulls or chihuahuas,, they all have a leader and one who is dominant and the others follow, so i believe him and the way he trains, some dogs need to get back into their position in fact they are the dog and man is the owner and to listen and not be biting or barking or aggressive! If they dont get help from him, then they may bite someone, then what? The dog would be put to sleep, right? so it's better they get a check in their attitude and have a chance for a better life. I never seen him be abusive by the way,never seen him hit a dog, or yell at a dog or anything of such. SOme dogs need to be snapped out of their issues, be thankful someone is offering solutions,, there is a lot of messed up dogs out there with very little hope and many thrown into shelters,sad!
My parents owned a dog that first became very protective of his food (growling) and then protective of his space (growling and snapping), and then finally protective of his body (growling, snapping, and biting). His dominance over the people in my parents' house grew as trainers told them to keep taking him to classes and to practice common commands including waiting for a command to "take" his food. He followed all of these commands with ease but still his dominance and aggression grew. He tried on several occasions to bite me as I would take him to "bed" (he slept gated in the kitchen) and would growl whenever he was told "no". The behaviourists who came to our house after he bit the first person told us he was a "fine, obedient animal". They told us to continue our training and that maybe he was just spooked. I told my parents that he needed to be rehabilitated and should go to a centre like Cesar Millan's to learn how to socialize properly (he also had become dog aggressive). Our vet and trainers told my parents that those techniques were false and abusive. My parents listened. When he finally tore a chunk out of my mother's arm for touching his collar, the vet, our doctor, and trainer said he should be put down. I greatly regret supporting this decision as I whole-heartedly believe that he was a good dog who thought he was the boss of our house and used his mouth to show it. It has been several months since he was euthanized and I still carry great sadness that mistraining and bad advice lead my parents to believe they had no part in his instability. If you trainers out there who believe Cesar Millan is abusive have any tips on how to rehabilitate an aggressive, bossy, dominant dog other than putting him to sleep I'd love to hear them. It is a tragedy that no one had any solutions when it counted.
I am a very worried that big wig producers & others that shall remain nameless are only attacking Millan,
because he has shown they're methods to be watered down, & quite honestly out dated.He is also being bad mouthed by those who would love nothing more than to see aggressive breeds such as rottweiler's & pitbull's either killed, & outlawed, or labeled as dangerous & not good family pets.
When anyone who has owned & or trained these breeds knows that it is simply not true.These very same people are probably the ones pushing to see the destruction of these breeds, Millan is one of the only trainers who has the experience needed to help these animals with a hands on approach, meanwhile others just say that the public only get's to see the before & after.It is like a slap in the face to viewers, when any dog owner is smart enough to make an opinion based on what they see, saying they can't, & don't see what's really going on is just stupid.His methods may be different but he gets better results than the people who are "talking smack" & i believe most of them can't stand the fact that he is not only a better trainer than them, but more understanding & more compassionate for the breeds who need his help the most, it's time to stop blaming pitbull's & rottweiler's & start blaming ourselves, for decades of bad dog management, & owners who treat the dogs wrong. So please people stop playing the blame game, & take a long hard look in the mirror, just remember if u point 1 finger at Cesar you should probably point 3 back at yourself.
I am a very worried that big wig producers & others that shall remain nameless are only attacking Millan,
because he has shown they're methods to be watered down, & quite honestly out dated.He is also being bad mouthed by those who would love nothing more than to see aggressive breeds such as rottweiler's & pitbull's either killed, & outlawed, or labeled as dangerous & not good family pets.
When anyone who has owned & or trained these breeds knows that it is simply not true.These very same people are probably the ones pushing to see the destruction of these breeds, Millan is one of the only trainers who has the experience needed to help these animals with a hands on approach, meanwhile others just say that the public only get's to see the before & after.It is like a slap in the face to viewers, when any dog owner is smart enough to make an opinion based on what they see, saying they can't, & don't see what's really going on is just stupid.His methods may be different but he gets better results than the people who are "talking smack" & i believe most of them can't stand the fact that he is not only a better trainer than them, but more understanding & more compassionate for the breeds who need his help the most, it's time to stop blaming pitbull's & rottweiler's & start blaming ourselves, for decades of bad dog management, & owners who treat the dogs wrong. So please people stop playing the blame game, & take a long hard look in the mirror, just remember if u point 1 finger at Cesar you should probably point 3 back at yourself.
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I have read the article and I am very sad to read all the negative things that are being said about Cesar MIlan. I can personally say that I have met Cesar when he and his crew came to my daughters house to film one of the shows because she needed help with her dog. Everyone of his people were excellent with the dog and there was NEVER any abuse of any kind used on our dog. NEVER was there a choke chain used, nor choke collers or anything else like that. It has been a year and our dog is doing very good. Since then we have rescued a dog and used Cesars training methods and our Boxer is doing very well. By the way, I raised Pit Bulls for about 3 or 4 years and they are wonderful pets.
So many liars on this comments page. And clueless commentators too. Cesar Milan has NEVER EVER hung any dog (Mr Anonymous liar) let alone advocated for or even used chokers. In fact he made and markets his own Illusion collar which is nothing like a choke. He has never helicoptered, rolled, hung, choked or bullied any dog. Yes he has tired some out. with persistent patience. Flooding? Not by the strick definition. You people misuse terms. If you even saw flooding you would not make this accusation. All he does that is REMOTELY related to your misconception of flooding is have a dog face his fears such as trucks in the road. With PATIENCE and CALMNESS. The only time he has even "man handled" any dog that I can remember is the Dingo that was having to be PTS if he couldnt help them. You people are buying into the hater's rhetoric because Cesar is PROVING THEM full of crap. Treats? Clickers? Oh please. Talk about a SCAM. LOL. Very rarely are treets needed and only in the most specific and severe cases, such as catatonic or mentally screwed up stool eaters.
I have an 11th grade education. I am self educated in the area of the Constitution and government. I have had both the President of a major news organization and a former U.S attorney, both are personal training clients of mine, urge me to write a book on the Constitution in street language. Why? Because these pin heads with all these degrees alway's think and speak in what Thomas Jefferson described as over intellectualizing ways when common sense is normally the correct method. Oscar Millan makes sense. If what he say's is true all these pin head intellectuals are out of business and still owe for their college grants.
I personally have seen him kick dogs. You just need to talk to some of the people that have been on his show.
The problem with many people is that they "humanize" dogs. I love dogs, I treat them like family..okay, better than family. But, you can not expect a dog to understand english. There is a way a dog understands, I it looks like ceasar knows how to communicate. Owners that want to talk baby talk to their dogs and use no form of negative re-enforcement are just asking for trouble. Then their answer is to put the dog down when it doesn't respond properly.
Choke collars are fine, use another work if choke doesn't sit well with you. It doesnt just focus on the windpipe, its an overall cinch. A few corrections with the collar will teach the dog through safe negative re-enforcement..
What is actually cruel is the soft hearted idiot that continually holds back his dog with a regular collar that chokes him several times a day without any positive effect.
Train the dog properly and they will understand what you want and they will give it to you. Ignore real training in favor of your soft hearted ways - your killing your dog with kindness. My guess is you do the same with your kids and wonder why they are out of control when they reach puberty.
Positive AND negative re-enforcement are necessary for learning. If you speed, do the police give you a treat and ask you not to do it again? No. You receive punishment in the way of a fine and that's what stops you from doing it again.
There is discipline and the there is abuse. Do not confuse the two. spanking a kid is fine, slapping is not....cinch collar used properly is fine, choking with a leather collar is not.
If you cant deal with the facts of how people and animals learn, then shut up and leave it to the people who do know... Like Cesaer...
I would like some real information. The anti-Mlllan comments here are biased to the point of rendering them useless. As if ANYONE, even CM, truly knows what a dog thinks and feels! I read an expert say that 2 seconds after a dog has done something he can no longer associate it with his actions. Well then please tell me why after taking my small mutt puppy over to a cold pile of poo on the kitchen floor, and telling him firmly NO! then putting him outside, that he has never done it again. Coincidence? Uh. One time accident? I doubt it. I've since used the "experts" positive reinforcement only training on two new pups from birth to 2 years of age. They will pee and poop anywhere they please. And when the have just gone in another room and done it, They come running to we will tails wagging. "ruff! ruff!" for a TREAT!!!
The non-pack, non-leader, non-disciple is nothing more that the sam poppsychology that Dr. Benjamin Spock (remember him?) told us about kids 40 years ago, only later he recented to and say how wrong he was.
This new point of view smack of the nutty PETA way of thinking.
A dog is not a human, but they understand and remember far more than they are being given credit for.
I think the crux of the matter comes with Ceasar's opening lines on his show: "I rehabilitate dogs. I train PEOPLE." I am a dog-sitter and I see many spoilt, humanized, badly behaved dogs of all sizes and breeds. Since watching Ceasar's show, my job has become a joy rather than a task. His methods really, REALLY work.
I have never seen him be cruel to any animal in his care. His "kicks" are just foot-nudges to snap an obsessive dog out of its paranoid behaviour. He only uses choke chains when the owner chooses this method. Ceasar only ever uses a soft, highly positioned collar and an inexpensive leash. I have used these methods with the most disobedient, boisterous dogs and left thier owners open-mouthed in disbelief that their beloved dog can be so calm and balanced when I walk them.
A dog is a pack animal and should be treated as such. I for one am a devoted fan of Ceasar and his wonderful methods. Long live Ceasar!!
The main point is, Ceasar's techniques are dangerous enough to warrant a warning before every show, advising dog owners not to try his methods at home.
How ridiculous! A dog training show that showcases methods so unreliable that they could harm an owner, much less a dog. There is a fundamental flaw in his teachings if this is how he operates.
His also totally misunderstands the "pack mentality" that is often preached on his show. Wolves do not perform alpha rolls on each other. They do not grasp each other by the neck. Neither do dogs. Of course, since Ceasar is not educated in any sort of animal behavioral science, he wouldn't know that.
There is no room in this world for uneducated and untrained people like Ceasar. He only puts dogs and humans in danger.... and admits it with a warning.
This is absurd..where'e the proof?
No matter the technique! Just treat the dog as a dog and not a child. I have two great examples for human arrogance and stupidity regarding dogs and even more proof that being a gentle leader might be a solution in many cases. About wolves not using force, that is a blatant lie. I have seen many films concerning wolves and there has been fights. A lot of snarling, biting, but no blood....have even seen the same behaviour in dogs, with my own eyes and through a window. There is no brutality, but certain firmness. However, this is not what I would like to say. In my opinion, dogs are animals who need to be treated according to their natural laws. Humanizing a dog might lead to terrible problems. First example would be an aggressive-dominant german shepherd who attacked his owner in front of my eyes. I don't know of a trainer who would be willing to deal with the dog. They all said to put him down. The family refused, taking up the risk for having him at home with their kids.
The second example is an extremely spoiled Yorkshire terrier who already bit a little three year old boy. He ran away from the owner and attacked the child who was walking with his mum. If I were in the mum's situation, I would call the police and have the dog put down. Don't take me wrong, I love dogs with a passion but what about the poor child. It might be scared of dogs for a lifetime. The wrongdoings of the owners often result in the suffering of other, mostly innocent, people. DOGS ARE ANIMALS WITH THEIR OWN psychology and should be treated accordingly to their nature and biology. A question remains though. Do we really know so much about the animal's mind or is it really that some people who grew up with animals and worked with them for a lifetime might know more than those who study a school that is supposed to teach them about those animals? I saw a show with a "professional" who finished a school and his advice to the family was really ridiculous. He suggested they give the dog away because the dog is too protective of them....
I've used all kinds of training methods. Punishment and physical force works same as using a cattle prod on humans works.
Thing is why use a cattle prod to force cooperation when you can get active cooperation with positive reinforcement.
I've never used a clicker, I've turnes 'bad biting dogs' around into safe pets using positive reinforcement.
You can be a leader without hurting others. That is what Mr Milan doesn't appear to understand. I wonder how Mr Milan will manage to intimidate the animals when he is older, injured, ill etc.
I prefer methods that will work for dogs that are stronger than their owners and who need to become followers through leadership not brute force.
Listen Guys, just because Cesar Millan doesn't have a framed degree doesn't mean he isn't just as educated as animal behaviorists, who happen to have one of those slips. He has been studying dogs in theory and practice and has researched many books by other dog psychologists, behaviorists and trainers. He never advocates brute force he only wants people to be confident about being able to have a well behaved dog. Whenever he uses the terms 'discipline' and 'dominance' he makes sure that his client understands that he doesn't mean 'punishment' and 'abuse', but merely discipline=consistency and dominance=confidence about your own capabilities.
Somebody who has watched the show and couldn't understand what was being said and what was actually happening (creating peace, tranquillity and respect both ways within the human-dog relationship) should not open their mouth and say something about Mr Millan not being educated enough, because clearly their education lacks common sense.
All we have here are a bunch of jealous idiots who can't stand Cesar's success or his rehabilitation practices that actually work. Cesar has rehabilitated and saved more dogs than all these critics have ever dreamed of, combined.
So to hell with these people.
Emma, you don't damn thing about dogs. Cesar Millan has forgotten more about dogs in the last 10 minutes than you'll know in 10 lifetimes. So shut up.
I imagine Cesar has a list of character witnesses a mile long, and a list of dogs he's saved from being euthanized at least as long.
I expect most of these negative comments come from the same people who did not teach their children manners and respect. My eldest is over 50, my youngest is 40. They were punished when needed. Not
beaten, spanked in extreme cases. I have 4children. Not a single one has ever smoked, drank, or done drugs. They are all educated and have good jobs. I must have done something right. I've trained hunting dogs and horses. One cannot expect animals to understand verbal instructions. I've used physical punishment, if necessary. Try controlling a yearling stud standing in a stall all day with only forced exercise a few minutes a day. He didn't understand "pretty please".
He was a 4-time world champion. I
am dumbfounded some people are so
quick to critize. How can one argue with Mr. Millan's success? Dogs as well as children, must have
limits enforced. joe_h, I agree with you about Emma. And Mr. Millan, please ignore some of these
people. You definitely don't need
to fix something unless it is broken. Your methods might work for
kids and parents. Rehab the kids and train the parents. I deeply regret to have lived to see the law
interfering with parents trying to control their children. Keep up your good work. You have a very special gift..you are truly "the dog wisperer" mam
I expect most of these negative comments come from the same people who did not teach their children manners and respect. My eldest is over 50, my youngest is 40. They were punished when needed. Not
beaten, spanked in extreme cases. I have 4children. Not a single one has ever smoked, drank, or done drugs. They are all educated and have good jobs. I must have done something right. I've trained hunting dogs and horses. One cannot expect animals to understand verbal instructions. I've used physical punishment, if necessary. Try controlling a yearling stud standing in a stall all day with only forced exercise a few minutes a day. He didn't understand "pretty please".
He was a 4-time world champion. I
am dumbfounded some people are so
quick to critize. How can one argue with Mr. Millan's success? Dogs as well as children, must have
limits enforced. joe_h, I agree with you about Emma. And Mr. Millan, please ignore some of these
people. You definitely don't need
to fix something unless it is broken. Your methods might work for
kids and parents. Rehab the kids and train the parents. I deeply regret to have lived to see the law
interfering with parents trying to control their children. Keep up your good work. You have a very special gift..you are truly "the dog wisperer" mam
A little bit of history of myself; US Army Military Police Dog Handler. I performed these duties during the cold war near the East German Border at an Explosive Ordinance site. The dogs that were assigned to us were returning from Vietnam as Hero Tunnel Dogs. I can proclaim with certainty that with out proper skills these dogs would be very dangerous. They were trained to go for the throat and rip it, completely an almost instant kill. The methods we used to continue training our assigned dogs were very similiar to Caesar Milans. The Vietnam Hero's were treated with respect and every second you werre their pack Leader.
After my military career came to an end, I sucessfuly bred Akitas for perfection to the breed standard and showing for eleven years. Again, with Akita's it is extremely important that you are the pack leader. I used a combination of Caesar's methods and dog treats.
For ten years I did not have a dog. However I had a Persian cat who is highly trained to play fetch, does not scratch furniture and comes when he is called.
A year and a half ago I purchased an English Bulldog puppy that is beyond my training ability. He can be very loving and sweet. Bulldogs require a lot of upkeep as follows: wipe their rear ends after pooping, cleean facial wrikles daily, clean ears weekly and so on. My Bulldog allows me to complete his upkeep then lunges and bites whatever is in my hands including my hands. I have tried every method and was bitten again this morning, maybe one of these boisterous professionals can give me a tip on how to change this behavior?
Sandra
Typical "expert-speak" from those who can't stand how some "nobody" appears to do in minutes what they can't do in any amount of time. If you want the reasonable person to take you seriously, first you need to explain what your position is. Remember that Milan has handled a huge number of potentially dangerous dogs, so it is surprising that there have been so few cases such as the one that supposedly occurred. The critics are using a really lame technique of attempting to convince people that the exception is the rule, and vice versa. I have no problem with questioning some of the things Milan says or does, but there must be evidence for a better approach. Claiming that you can read the dog's mind and that Milan hurt the dog's feelings is just beyond ludicrous. I'd like to see a documentary where Milan and one of these critics works with a group of "troubled" dogs that seem to be on about the same level (both Milan and the critic could choose the dogs the ways kids choose up sides in a schoolyard game, to be as fair as is reasonably possible). Then the results will just speak for themselves. Enough of baseless criticism already, unless you can explain your position in detail and provide strong evidence to support your claim.
I simply cannot believe that these supposedly educated people are slandering Cesar Millan as they are. I know some very educated people that when it comes to common sense - they have none. And I do agree with one writer that these people are more than likely angry that he is having so much success without having that peice of paper that says he's "educated." It's probably making their research suspect - after all they want to keep their jobs and the money coming in to support them.
Cesar always says that when rehabilitating a dog, it's NOT about punishment, deprevation or withholding love for you pet. Dogs are meant to be dogs with discipline, boundaries and limitations in order to be balanced. Would any of you bring a child into the world with none of these? What kind of eventual adult would that create? Would you be doing your child any favours? How many more dogs must we kill because we don't have the common sense to do the right thing. Cesar has shown us that some have lost their way with getting dogs they can't handle and then just give up on them. Then we know what happens... how many more thousands of dogs must we euthanize because we can't handle them and just bring them to a shelter and walk away... be damn what happens to that dog?
I never thought in my life that I would change my mind about pitbulls but I have and I don't see this breed as the killer breed it's been made out to be - it's not the dog, it's the human holding the lead! Stop with all this vicious, angry defamation of a character that is far superior than all of you supposedly experts!
the reason cesar's results don't always last is that he trains people...
Ceasar is a breath of fresh air in a sea of fear and negativity and intelectual drival that sounds pretty impresive on paper but only addresses the pyhsical not the spiritual or non spoken form of communication all animals use , this man is a gifted light worker that shows his proof in an honest up front manner , unlike many of are bought and paid for scientests that have to say what big brother wants or they might lose there funding . Right on Ceasar !And how many of are fine doctors and vets kill or injure people or animals every year with there mistakes ?
Emma
You don't know what you are talking about, my Amstaff's regularly grab each other by the neck and throat in play and have even used their body weight on top of smaller dogs that want to fight, to put them in their place. My male dog has gripped "intruder" dogs by the throat and held them down, but not damaged them in any way.
WOW, EVERYONE HERE IS AN EXPERT, EVEN THE EXPERTS. I FIND IT SO TYPICAL OF ALL OF THESE EXPERTS AND NON-EXPERTS TO CRITICIZE SOMEONE ELSES TECHNIQUES. HECK ANY MONKEY CAN DO THAT...THE REAL GENIUS LIES IN THE ABILITY FOR SOMEONE TO COME UP WITH A BETTER WAY, TEACH IT TO OTHERS AND PROVE ITS VALIDITY.
I THINK WHAT CESAR HAS DONE, AT THE LEAST, IS TO BE THE CATALYST IN CHANGING THE BEHAVIOR OF DOG OWNERS FROM SITTING AROUND, NOT DOING EXERCISE AND GENERALLY BEING LAZY PET OWNERS TO BEING MUCH MORE ACTIVE. I FIRMLY BELIEVE THIS IS A POSITIVE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT. ANYONE WHO CAN DO THIS, SHOULD BE COMMENDED, AS FOR THE NAY SAYERS...GROW UP AND STEP UP TO PLATE, OTHERWISE, KEEP QUIET AND FIND SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN OF USE TO THIS PLANET.
As a veterinary technician for 22 years, I have really enjoyed watching THe Dog Whisperer. The calm, assertive energy he talks about has really worked for me time and time again. Vet techs have to restrain all sizes of dogs and cats in all types of situations for numerous procedures that are very scary to them, but if you remain calm and reassuring, the animal feels that and usually calms itself as well.
Thanks Cesar!!
Watch Dog Whisperer faithfully. My wife and I have practiced the theories and methods taught by Cesar and they have proven to work time and again. Even disobedient neighbour dogs stop in their tracks when illustrating bad behaviours (barking, charging) and within minutes are submissive without laying a hand on the dogs.
The owners are stunned at the power that the right knowledge can harness.
Thanks Cesar
See you in Hamilton, ON
The last paragraph is a joke.
Pretentious senteces such as: "being administered by an individual with no formal education whatsoever in canine behavioral sciences" Show how shallow the article is.
Well, why doesnt he have a PhD in the science? Cos then he wouldn't have all the experience he's got.
Silly article
I've watched "The Dog Whisperer" for years. I have never seen Cesar perform any act of cruelty or promote any form of cruel treatment. An "Educational Degree" simply means you have been rewarded for accepting someone else's concepts.
I have seen Cesar repeatedly "train" people not to treat their dogs like humans. Dogs aren't human and we cannot expect them to behave like humans. It makes complete sense to recognize dogs as dogs and to relate to them in ways that the pack would relate to them. Watch a mother dog train her pups...you get a lot of good information on training that way. Cesar is compassionate, loves animals, and is trying to keep people safe from dog induced injury fighting and to keep dogs from death at human hands.
I have personally used his techniques with several dogs and have had great success. The dogs still act like dogs, but they respect my boundaries, also.
Since I started watching his show a few months ago, I began using his methods on my dogs (both Chow Chows) and the turnaround in their behavior has been amazing! The intellectuals (aka PhD's) can only understand the science and not how a dog acts in a pack. Just like the politicians who make a stance and create a ruckus just to get on the news and be noticed, these scientists are doing the same thing. Cesar's understanding of dogs and ability to teach others how to use his techniques is a wonderful, generous thing. Those who say their dogs were abused at his center, let's be serious are really just looking at the dollar signs. The man is successful and he's on National Geographic. I say, the accusers are "show me the money" kind of people.
i have trained my own dogs all my life.. my father trained and bred hunting dogs and us kids helped.. the dogs learned with positive reinforcement.. they did what you wanted, give them a pat or a rub on the side and tell them "good dog" our pups were honoring each others' points by 6-7 months and were obedient..i have used the same methods training my pets over the years with excellent results.. dogs want to please us, and if we treat them with kindness, they will reward us with companionship and unconditional love. yes sometimes you have to be more assertive with some breeds, but if you show kindness, and be clear with what you want the dog to do, you will have the results you want.. sometimes things take longer, but you have to consistant, same as when we teach our children, they don't learn very quick...dogs have a mentality similar to human 2yr olds, so you have to be patient.. dogs become aggressive and disobedient because of the humans involved ( breeding and or training ) dogs don't want to be bad, we make them that way...dogs are labeled because of human ignorance to the dog...if only they can voice what they think of us... i can only imagine.. ceasar works with dogs as if he is a wolf mom correcting her cub...if you use his meathods correctly, you do have wonderful results.. you have to be consistant, he does things more than once to show the dog what he wants and rewards the behavior he desires and corrects the one he doesn't until the dog gets it right and then is rewarded...i dont like chode chains, but if used correctly and not on fearful dogs, they do work, i personally like the nylon/choke combo.. it is much gentler on the neck and you achieve the same results...it's more the noise than the pull that makes them work...dogs have one- track minds, so we have to get them to concentrate on what we want them to do, so they learn...tho put dogs simply, imagine a dog as a child with ADHD, how would you handle the dog now??? dogs need something to do.. training gives them something to do, they enjoy training because we make it fun.. when a dog has nothing to do, they get bored,(just like human children) and what happens? they get destructive and misbehave...keep them happy and interact with them, they want to be our friend... and what's wrong with that? NOTHING...next time you're in the yard doing nothing, play with your dog.. give a few command to refresh their training, you'll both have a great time and you wiil expell some of your dogs energy... have fun
I use a basic version of what I've seen him do on his show and my dogs have responded very well. Everyone comments on how happy, calm, and wonderful they are. My dogs do not fear me. They respect me and in the evenings we lay around with bellies exposed loving life. Everyone else's dogs around where I live are basket cases. People always ask me how my dogs are so good. I think a lot of the "experts" watch snippets and make generalized negative statements.
I honestly think these groups who dissagree with millan's methods are ridiculous. He has proven over and over again his method is sound and works. The individuals who claim otherwise obviously have never had a pet with severe problems. what are we sapposed to do talk to the animal???? send him to phyciatrist???Please. The groups of people who are against his method have something to gain by making noise agianst millans methods and nothing else. For centeries people have used many of millans methods and it is the way.
I say to you all who just like to knock down millan for the good job he does is when you can do the many things he can and basically get into the lions cage then only then can you voice any opion
I have watched dog whisper for yrs and have used Cesar's methods with great success. We have a German. Shepard who has tried for yrs to be alpha dog and with Cesar's information have been able to make her an obedient pet. I love him and hope Nat Geo keeps him on forever. He works miracles. And has kept a lot of dogs fromw being destroyed. These trainers and behaviorists may just be envious that Cesar' s ways work better than theirs.
i watch whenever i can i use the technique on the schnauzer i have along with praise and that is all he neads he wants the attention and thats what i give i have to give a tap on the shoulder or hindquarters but only a light push and that is if he doesnt pay attention and tries to chase a squarel bird or the cat but norally all i have to do is use sounds and voice and he listens i havent had anything happen towards with anything i have used this type of training and they include a wolf a lab probably crossed with pointer schnauzer cats anything i can and they have never tried to hurt anybody so what he does he shoeld keep doing because it works people need help at there hours of need whether that is with there kids or dogs if you cant handle it safely get help its better than getting hurt and will prevent a whole lot of hurt in the future for everyone the dog the kids the parents neightbors everyone the kids because there pet wont have to be killed neighbors and parents wont have to worry as bad about bites and attacks since it wont be there dogs
sherri
the schnauzer i have is like a child but i know he is a dog and i treat he is treated like one when i got out of the hospital when i was born we had a dog i have always had dogs and cats and for the past 30yrs so i feel like i can understand what they think better than the parents sister and brother but i was always the one to work with the dogs sister played and did a little training but i did all of the hard stuff punish if needed woulnt let the dogs always have there own way
i loved and respect the dogs
i had a border collie norwegian elkhound labX a cocker spaniel and they always did what i wanted never showed fear with what was happening if they showed that they were scarred of anything i would find out what and why when the schnauzer was 13wks i was walking in the apts the air conditioning unit started up he started to run all i did was to walk it back and forth until he flet that it was safe and he investigated on his own with strangers he slightly nervouse but i hold his collar so that he knows that it is ok and i wont let anybody hurt it he loves kids and all people just at ties he gets a little nervous around loud noises but he dosnt growl or bite even when people try to pet it if of leash he will run back to the house but if on leash he just pull back a little
i love all dogs i dont care about breed i grown up with shepherds collies rottweilers cousin breeds pitbulls it slept she sleep in the bed as his 3yr old daughter and they never had a conflict with her one day she got in a fight with another dog and she had to be put to sleep because of that it was a sad day for all
sherri
To.the person harping on the disclaimer: if you have seen the show you would know that he has come face to face with extremely aggressive dogs. Without a disclaimer comes liability. This is why we have ratings and disclaimers for everything on tv and in movies for pg13+. Caesar Millans methods work.
wow...some of you people need more training than dogs.i'm sensible enough to believe his methods might not work on every dog,100%of a nything is impossible(except death we all are going to die)if anyone pays attention to his show you will notice the real problem dogs,he offers to take and/or replace so even he knows he's not perfect.anyone else out there willing to admit something they are doing just is not going to work?i am fostering a female pitbull from a dog fighting ring for her puppies.she is deaf either born that way or beaten to that point,so hissing,clicking and any type of noise obviously will not work.they took her pups at birth.if they took her from her mom too she has none of those methods(neck biting etc.)she is so much better now with just playing with my 4 dogs and having a family.im only upset now that i cannot contact him for help.i need a trainer with a passion for pit bulls not just a"trainer"
This is the most ridiculous, unhelpful, biased, uninformative "information" I have seen in a long long time, and I've seen some pretty big trash.
The so-called humane methods employed by bleeding-hearted animal-haters are wrong from the very roots. Humane. What does that word sound like? I'll tell you what it doesn't sound like. Dog. Canine. Our humanity is a foreign danger to the world of nature.
Is it humane to civilize wild wolves? Is it humane to capture them and take them far from their homes? Is it humane to force ever living species to surrender to our rule, our domineering over the world? Face it. Man is a hypocrite. You people who say dominating dogs is wrong fail to understand canines, and in the process fail to understand the entire world. If you want to point fingers at "cruel domination", you should point at yourself. We have eaten up miles of beautiful wilderness so we can set up mindless shelters and "humane" societies where wildness and life once flourished. Idiots who think that dogs are humans, or should be treated as even close to such, shouldn't be around sane canines.
Cesar Milan has introduced some of the best breakthroughs in a long time. "Old-fashioned"? REALLY? REALLY? Do you seriously think dogs have evolved over the course of fifty years, and the same methods don't work anymore? Do you seriously think that "sad little look on their face" is SADNESS? Do you think that being submissiveness is WRONG? What is WRONG with you? Dogs need discipline. We need discipline. It's how we function. People who focus on the positive only side of things are out of their minds. If we focused on positive only and chose to ignore bad things, terrorists would run rampage, crime would be prevalent, and murderers would be excused. After all, it would be "inhumane" to correct their behavior, wouldn't it? Surely they couldn't understand what was wrong. If a murderer goes a day without killing someone, they should be rewarded! Whoo!
Positive reinforcement is a very important half of the story. But there is another half. The discipline that comes with the negative. If you only reward the good, it becomes a choice. An option. A way to get a treat if wanted. There's nothing stopping you from committing the same behavior if you want to. Another thing, positive reinforcement doesn't delve into a dog's mind. It doesn't address their need to have guidance in their lives. The alpha roll is not cruel. Dogs are not hamsters or bugs. They can defend themselves against true physical cruelty, and will do so. Only one thing will stop them. Respect. Cesar never hurts a dog. Dogs are physical animals, withstanding much more then a mere "poke". Because we are soft and live a cushioned life, we expect that dogs have the same expectations. No. That's utter rubbish. An animal cannot afford our softness and love of comfort. There's no room for that anywhere else in the world; we only survive because we make room for ourselves.
Another thing, people who say Cesar's techniques are ineffective; I can guarantee you're doing it wrong. If you don't know how to be calm and assertive, it's because you have this idiotic idea that assertiveness is bullying. Dogs don't respond to bullies, nor do they respond to people who can't hold their own properly, while secretly doubting themselves. Give them a little credit. They know who to follow and who to dominate.
Cesar raises his intensity to meet the intensity of the dogs he works with, dogs who many idiot bleeding-hearts have written off as lost causes. He's saved hundreds of dogs. Can you say the same?
I believe that the main reason which drives scientific community is money. They are loosing when cesar millan gets money. The fact that he has no uni degree is meaningless. I know many people with degrees who are comlletely dumb and carrer orientated. I can see only empty argument and critisizm which is not backed up. Not academic level but market one. I use CM some of techneques and my dog is happy and healthy. No harm was caused
I so agree with you.
Behevioral theory is base for positive training with treats. Does somebody stop to think how right is this theory? When it been tested on innocent dogs in labs or even more on orhan children. So what science we are using? The one which justifies all means no matter what? I believe we have to be very causious about so called science and always look at its backgrou d not only follow it because mad scientist said so
Wow you are the firat person i came across who asked for evidance. Amazing. In our days people just blindly follow anything without thinking. And in usa or even in europe law suits are fashion. The way to make big money. Its not about truth or justice.
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